uncabro (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

not ju jitsu either, or just boxing,..you must know stand up and ground fighting...BUT...YOU ARE RIGHT...in almost every fight on the streets,..if you go to the ground...you may end up a dead man

sagagossard (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

fighting has always been fighting... ppl in the 70's used to train harder, so that's not a valid argument. Yes some ground fighting is needed, for self-defense its good, but certainly not the most important aspect... most fights DO NOT end in the ground: most fights are bar brawls where clubs, chairs, bottles are involved, no MA is good against them. Besides the fact that you cannot go to the ground in all situations. But indeed, nowadays TKD is not enough for self-defense.

xtrgx (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

woaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh!!!!ITF vs WTF: Siempre supe que el ITF gana!!!!!Por eso lo entreno!!!

billysue2 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

you dont need to introduce me,ive done them for 17 years,they are a waste of time for anyone interested in fighting or self defence.

fragilez (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

lemme introduce u to a new word called poomsae. while they dun test it on humans, they still train illegal techniques through poomsae. TKD also uses all ranges. look at taegeuk 7 which includes knee strikes.

billysue2 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

training could not include any of the illegal methods you mention so those techniques would never be tested.MMA uses all ranges and full contact,tkd never has .

fragilez (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

that's not true. the fact it's restricted is because they don't want to have serious injuries occuring. if u wanna say MMA is the best it's not.even MMA fighting has rules. it does not include eye poking,balls ripping, throat ripping which is especially crucial to win an unarmed combat fight fast.real tkd techniques include grion kicking, throat chopping and such.

cococomemucho (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

jaja eehh!!! yo hace 8 años q practico y soy 1 dan maann!!..no me tires para abajoo! xD

billysue2 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I am referring to the fact that itf do not spar full contact,restrict punching , only spar at long and medium range and do not adress clinching or the ground.MMA is a complete method for unarmed combat.

AzWeThInKwEizZ (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

TKD is plenty tough. Especially if you condition well enough. And no art is "complete".