samoht21 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

lol. I understand what you're saying. I think the Gracie's are just trying to protect a franchise, and those national fans are revering a hero. Of course Jiu Jitsu is entirely Japanese; I think these fighters were just at the right place at the right time to really capitalize on the strengths of their art and make it synonymous with themselves.

ka2jiro (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I think that Gracies are just too commercial, as well as this video.

alexgattas (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Then I'am right! Sorry for not making it Clear... Im talking about BJJ. Im just tired of everybody making the gracie's into a god in mma. all they did was cherry pick from traditional Jiu jitsu, and perfected those moves.

RonnieRocker (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Hi. How do you mean jiu jitsu has no stand up game? JJ has the whole game: kicks, punches, throws, ground fighting (and self defence). Roughly explained it's the combination of karate/judo/taekwondo, and the actual proportions of the mix depends on style. But if you're referring to BJJ then I'd say you're right.

alexgattas (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Not hating on his success. It just bothers me when someone claims, that he would have been able to beat Kimura. If they were in the same weight class. After he BARELY beat Kato WITH a weight advantage. Humility is something the should teach in Gracie Jiu Jitsu, besides He didn't invent Jiu Jitsu. to me it will never be BJJ it will always be JJJ.

tonytocanova (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Don't hate on the Gracies just cause they have made money off this sport. This is America and that's how is goes down here homie...

alexgattas (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

look to end it all right now... the only difference between judo and jiu jitsu is, jiu jitsu has no stand up game. on the ground they have the same moves. what you have to remember is all fight start standing up. and for the record, there is no gracie past or present who could of beaten Kimura.

fighteruk (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

kimura he kicked his ass just those gracie has to shut up bcoz they think theyr the gift of martial arts in this world

sachamord (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

superb throw!

sachamord (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

shut the fuck up helio was 50 years old and thast no excusekimura was great but dont desvirtuate him